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  1. Euan La Trobe says:

    Hi there, I have recently purchased a Baikal IJ-12 and would like to know more about it if possible the serial number is A21372. Any information is appreciated.
    Thanks

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  2. Randy Stankevich says:

    Hi just new to this shotgun and this site any info would be. Stamped 12×70 and 65 mpa no letters in serial number 8701801
    18,2 F(1,0). Does not have the shield and arrow. Has a laying down horseshoe? With a n?
    The short shells I have say that minimum pressure for the shotgun is 11500psi which I think is 92 mpa. Is it safe to shot. Ussr is engraved on the side. And it is a break action single shot. Thanks for any information. Randy

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  3. Kyle says:

    I’m having issues figuring out the engraving markers on my Russian side by. I have the model-IJ58MA, ducks on the side but no idea what the designs on the underside mean.

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  4. steven scott says:

    Hello Aleksei i have a TOZ 34 E the seriel no is 5555 can you give year of manufacture thanks Paul

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  5. Ben Cooper says:

    Hi all. I have bought an IJ-58 with the model number K14988 and I want to know how old it is? Any ideas?
    Thanks Ben

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  6. Nikolas says:

    Dear Aleksey,
    i have an old model Baikal double barrel over-under shotgun which i would like to know some informations regarding year of manufactoring and chokes of each barrel. The gun was bought second hand arround 1970, so i beleave that may be earlier constructed. The serial number is Λ 2924, and the model is like “NK 12” or “MK 12”, as the letters are not clear.
    Please let me know if some related photos needed to submit.
    Thanks in advance!!!

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    • Hi, Nicolas, photos are always welcome! (I really ought to find a way to enable posting images in comments) Your gun is Izh-12, which many believe to be the best o/u ever made by Baikal. It was probably made in 1965. The nominal choke constrictions on these guns are .5 mm in the under and 1.0 mm in the over barrel, which by the world standard translate to IM and XF.

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      • Nikolas says:

        Dear Alexey,
        thanks for the prompt responce.
        I sent some photos from my shotgun at your email morozov@huntportal.ru
        There are visible some markings under barels which are unknown to me. You may check and reply if there are any infos regarding..
        Thanks..

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  7. Harold Cable says:

    some years ago, i saw an article showing a most interesting over and under rifle shotgun combo….it was a 22 LR over a 410 shotgun …. and both were semi-auto !!
    the 22 held 5”rounds, the 410 held 3 rounds ! a perfect small game gun! i really wanted one but never heard any more …. maybe was TOZ or Baikal ?/
    i saw the pictures on a website but never heard anymore ! have you heard of this ?

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    • There were a number of combination guns, with a number of different .22lr / rifle / shotgun barrels & semi / magazine / single shot actions, designed by TSKIB SOO (the Soviet R&D bureau for sporting arms), but none that I know of went beyond prototype stage.

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  8. Francois Eloff says:

    I bought a Baikal MFG 1 JEVSK USSR Model IJ-58M 28″ 12 fa 2 3/4 MF shotgun serial no A28570. Can you help me with year manufacturing

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  9. Fel says:

    Hi, I have a baikal from the 60’s I believe. It is a 12 gauge with 27 inch barrel. U.S.S.R. Stamped on side and underneath only has ” I the” stamped in Russian. Did not find serial number. Can you help?

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  10. michael says:

    hello. my late father bought a mid 1960’s o/u 12 ga shotgun made in ussr. very nice gun. however no other info on it engraved receiver checked pistol grips dual triggers how can i locate this gun it has no other markings what might be value? it s nike new but some field damage. regards michael

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  11. Mike Adams says:

    Hi I just brought a Baikal 12ga single shot. And I know nothing about it. On the side it says Model (2 Cyrillic letters which translate to ‘8’ and ‘Zhe’) 18M. Serial is H 20369. Proof marks are H in a diamond, then H in a almost rectangle, then a sideways diamond with it looks like a H and something else.

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  12. PG says:

    Wondering if there is any way to date a Baikal IJ27E. Serial number: T11028
    All info about this shotgun is wanted. Thanks!
    Regards Peter

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  13. Marcas says:

    Baikal IZH-43 Bounty Hunter 11 12 Gauge Coach Shotgun, Serial number #9901162B – any idea as to date of Manuf and Import to the US? Many thanks

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  14. Jim L. says:

    Baikal over/under 12 ga. Backwards N Back to Back K followed by 27EM-1C. Below reads MADE IN USSR. Serial number under break open lever of 9262207. How old is it?

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  15. B. Rendell says:

    I have a Russian s/s 12 ga. With outside hammers. TO-66 stamped on top of barrels, breech end. Serial # K3934 stamped on water table. Stamped “made in USSR” but no manufacturer’s stamp. Any idea of date of manufacture ? I believe it is a Baikal. I purchased it in UK in 1974.

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    • You have a TOZ-66, made by the Tula Arms Works (said to be Europe’s second oldest gunmaker), and sold at export markets under the “Baikal” brand. The makers mark is T in a circle in a triangle.

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  16. alvbacken says:

    Hello.

    My father asked me if I wanted his gun.
    We have strict regulations so it will be my only shotgun besides an semi auto.
    Don’t know anything about it except it’s a Baikal, side by side with serial number C19030.
    Dual triggers, no visible hammers.
    Can you please tell me anything about it?

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  17. Alan Blower says:

    Hi Aleksei

    Great site, backed up with real knowledge.

    I have acquired a single shot .410 Baikal IZH-18M fitted with silencer, serial number 8817584 which from reading your comments makes it a 1988 production. Can you advise me on the chamber length for cartridge purchase?

    Thanks & regards Alan

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  18. TAKOS says:

    Hi Aleksei,
    I’ve an Izh-12 with nr “KX-5574” on it (KX-is stamped, as i know it is kh). Would You please date it.
    Thank You,
    Best regards,
    Akos

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  19. Leslie Scott Hoskey says:

    Back in the early 90’s I was working on an antique Russian made shot gun. Sorry I cannot remember the make model, etc., but what completely startled me was that the butt plate was held on with “SPLIT” Straight Slot Wood Screws. I have never seen them before or since. They were intertwined similar to corkscrews, and slightly resembled heavy metal shavings from turning down a piece of steel.
    I imagine they would have a natural “self” holding or retaining property that would not let them loosen on their own very easily. Has anyone ever seen this?

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  20. Richard Sanderson says:

    I’ve recently bought a used Baikal 27-EM-M-1C which only came with two of the removable chokes, half and full. Can you advise where to source the other sizes of chokes as ,in the UK, there seems to be none,,other than pattern types by Gemini and Mandell. I would prefer the correct flush Baikal type as I hope that they would be sized according to the tight barrel boring that Baikal use. Any help you can offer would be appreciated. Thanks !!

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    • Hi, Richard. The answer to your question depends on when your gun was made. Since circa 2000 they’ve been using Colonial Arms compatible choke thread. Before, they used a proprietary system that to my knowledge has no equivalent in the world, with 3 different thread sizes for different bore diameters.

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      • Richard Sanderson says:

        Thanks for that information. Would it help to date the gun from the serial No. 002761651B. The model type is 27-EM-M-IC with the 3″ or 75mm chamber.
        Richard.

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      • Your gun was made in 2000. In theory, they already switched to Colonial Arms choke thread by that time. Unfortunately, one can’t exclude the possibility that leftover old pattern barrel blanks were used on a particular gun or lot.

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      • You may try writing to quality@baikalinc.ru Surprisingly, they often answer. The Russian query would be: Здравствуйте. Подскажите, пожалуйста, какие параметры резьбы под сменные дульные сужения у моего ружья Иж-27-ЕМ-М-1С номер 002761651? В частности, могу ли я использовать чохи фирмы Colonial Arms? С уважением, Ричард Сандерсон

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      • Richard Sanderson says:

        Thanks again for your help. I have forwarded your translated request for information to Baikal and look forward to a reply, assuming that the text you sent me is not some complicated Russian joke suggesting to the Director of engineering at Baikal that he owns a very ugly dog !
        That apart, I appreciate the help you have given and if you ever have cause to travel to the UK I would be glad to offer you a day shooting wild pigeons in Yorkshire. The sport of Kings !

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  21. TAKOS says:

    Hi Aleksei,
    I’ve an Izh-12 with nr “KX-5574” on it (KX-is stamped, as i know it is kh). Would You please date it.
    Thank You,
    Best regards,
    Akos

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  22. TAKOS says:

    Hi Aleksei,
    Thank You very much for the information. Do You have any idea, where can I find a ‘manual’ for this gun?
    Thank You,
    Best Regards,
    Akos

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  23. Greg May says:

    Hello, I have two IZH-12 shotguns (12 gauge and 16 gauge). Both guns were bought in 1969 in Moscow by my father. I have the original owner’s manual (in Russian), but it tells me nothing about the chamber length for either gauge. Do you know what this would be?

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    • Takos says:

      Hi Greg May,
      As you mentioned, you have the original manuals of both izh12(12/16). I also interested in these manuals, because I also have this gun, but I bought it with no manual. So I would like to ask you to copy or scan them for me please.
      Thanks in advance,
      Best regards,
      Ákos

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  24. Magnus says:

    Hi, I have inherited a Vostok shotgun. I wonder if you could help me identify the model. It is a side by side shotgun. Under the barrel house (hidden until disabled) there are markings, on both barrels:

    2 small rounded rectangular icons, 700 AT, an “H” in a shield. 18.2 17.2 1963.
    “12” in a circle, the Izhevsk Mechanical Plant sign, 18.2 17.2 H2950

    Best regards

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